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Blackjack Deck penetration

Right

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Title sounds bad. My question here is how far into deck does the casino usually go for you? Is it typical procedure for all casinos to have a player set the depth? Ive seen it differently in different casinos and wanted feedback from other casinos.
 

steve

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There are many variations but most of what Ive seen is they play about the same number of rounds depending on about of players. The penetration will vary from time to time.
 

dicesetter

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You might want to give more thought to thread titles.

You are correct, the method varies between casinos. The truly paranoid casinos use constant shufflers and frequently change decks, making counting absurdly impossible. You can buy used cards in places like vegas, but they usually have a hole punched through them so they cant be used for cheating.
 

archie1977

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Right said:
Title sounds bad. My question here is how far into deck does the casino usually go for you? Is it typical procedure for all casinos to have a player set the depth? Ive seen it differently in different casinos and wanted feedback from other casinos.

The casino I play at typically cuts in the 70%'s. However if they suspect obvious card counting at the table they'll cut the shoe in half. They don't ban or kick out card counters as it is a government run casino.
 

Letha

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I've bought a few of those used decks before and dicesetter is correct, they do punch holes in them so that they can't be used again. I think that most casinos will use between 5 and 6 decks. It is very hard to get away with card counting because most deals are taught how to do this and they will pick up on it fairly quickly.
 

steve

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I have technology to see through cards but it needs development. It uses passive radiation so nothing is emitted, but it takes too long to read a card and the equipment isn't practical. It would be with further development but for now at least my focus is roulette. It does not need an emitting radiation source behind the card, which is the hardest part to deal with.
 

Chappedcraps

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Right said:
Title sounds bad.

At least you didn't misspell deck.

However the house wants to penetrate or cut the shoe, you can bet it will be in the house's favor. I can see them using a different percentage with every deal, every 3 deals or just mixing up that ratio as well.
 

dicesetter

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steve said:
have technology to see through cards but it needs development.

This topic talks a lot about penetration of sorts. I have seen technology like what you mentioned steve. Here is what you mean.



Surely it would get you in jail, but it would be one hell of a way to make money.
 

steve

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Its related but not it exactly. What you showed is a infrared light source under the felt, and the right side shows what the IR camera sees. It's actually very simple technology. It's no different shining a flashlight through a card, except the light is a wavelength your eyes cant see without an infrared camera.

But in a casino you cant so easily put an IR emitter under a table. Besides cheating by modifying a table, which would need casino staff collusion, you need to see through the card from the top of it with no light source beneath it. That's the real problem and I have a working solution, but its not perfect.
 

Stealth

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If you are an advantage player (card counter) then penetration is a major characteristic that affects you advantage. The deeper the penetration the better your advantage.

If you are not and AP, then it means little except to control how often they shuffle.
 

Stealth

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Its related but not it exactly. What you showed is a infrared light source under the felt, and the right side shows what the IR camera sees. It's actually very simple technology. It's no different shining a flashlight through a card, except the light is a wavelength your eyes cant see without an infrared camera.

But in a casino you cant so easily put an IR emitter under a table. Besides cheating by modifying a table, which would need casino staff collusion, you need to see through the card from the top of it with no light source beneath it. That's the real problem and I have a working solution, but its not perfect.
Using a device to control or change the "outcome" of a table game is a felony and not worth the risk. Your device may be effective but I would advise against it's use.
 

steve

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I haven't nor would I probably use any kind of equipment that emits radiation. It might be just infrared radiation in this case, which is quite harmless, but it really pushes the boundaries of what would be considered illegal.

My preference is roulette computer devices, although they are not legal everywhere of course. For example, you could get into some serious trouble if you use them in Vegas. Generally speaking they are legal in roughly half of the casinos. Laws are gradually changing to close a loophole. We never under any circumstances knowingly break laws. Its just not worth it
 
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